Anthony
Sani, the Secretary General of the sociopolitical group, Arewa
Consultative Forum, tells BAYO AKINLOYE that the Igbo leaders have
tacitly endorsed hate speech by the Indigenous People of Biafra
Some
northern elders have said Igbo leaders are trivialising the hate
campaign and divisive activities of Nnamdi Kanu and the Indigenous
People of Biafra. What do you think?
Hate speech is a serious
issue that is capable of splitting the country through avoidable
conflagration or war. Yet, Igbo leaders have tended to tacitly endorse
the hate speech by the Indigenous People of Biafra through their
reticence until very recently – and despite their knowledge of dire
experiences of civil war.
The northern leaders have equally been
accused of shielding northern youths said to be guilty of inciting
others to violence through the notice to quit they issued to Igbo living
in that region. Don’t you agree with that?
To accuse
northern leaders of shielding the northern youths is most unfair. We say
the accusation is most unfair because northern leaders did not support
the notice to quit. For example, the Arewa Consultative Forum said even
though it appreciated the youths’ frustrations with the activities of
IPOB, the forum did not support the notice to quit because it was
unconstitutional and illegal. We said two wrongs do not make a right.
Hence, we did not support it. The Northern Governors Forum did not
support the notice to quit. The same way the Northern Elders Forum did
not support it except one member who supported it out of his anger at
the activities of IPOB. After the notice to quit, northern governors and
their leaders made a spirited effort and pressured the northern youths
to withdraw the ultimatum given to the Igbo to leave the North – this
has come to pass. So, how have the northern leaders supported violence
through the notice to quit? We should be fair in apportioning blame.
The
northern youths have been persuaded by the northern governors and
northern leaders to withdraw the notice to quit. This has gone a long
way in dousing the tension. To me, that is a heartening development
which should attract plaudits from all well-meaning Nigerians – and not
from northern governors and northern leaders alone.
Many in the
South-South and South-East are saying the youths ought to have been
arrested and prosecuted for making inciting comments. Is that a genuine
call?
While it is correct to say that the notice to quit was
illegal and could encourage hoodlums to take advantage (of the
situation) and cause mayhem, I am not sure it was directly inciting as
alleged; more so that the youths have denied making such incitement.
Do you support the rearrest of Nnamdi Kanu?
This
is a legal matter of which I am not an authority. You would note that
Nnamdi Kanu was arraigned on charges of treasonable felony and was
granted bail on medical grounds with clearly spelt out conditions which
he accepted of his own volition. But Kanu has observed the bail
conditions more in the breach. This has tested the will of the Federal
Government which has gone to court to either enforce the bail conditions
or have him rearrested. But some other people believe that Kanu’s
rearrest will make him a political factor in the polity. To this group,
it is better to ignore Kanu, while some others are of the view that the
Federal Government should dialogue with Kanu and bring about a political
solution. But, do we now reward bad behaviours with recognition and
concessions by playing up Danegeld in Biafra? To me – unless it is
impossible – I would prefer that the law should take its course.
Do you think the Federal Government has dealt fairly with Kanu, incarcerating him for months without being tried?
I
am not sure his trial hasn’t begun. The delay in trying Kanu cannot be
laid at the door of the Federal Government which is not expected to
force the judiciary that is well known for its goodness in delay. Even
Mr. President (Muhammadu Buhari) has himself expressed his regime’s
frustration with the judiciary in the delay of cases that have to do
with corruption. So, the case of Kanu cannot be treated in isolation of
how the judiciary treats cases in Nigeria. Mind you, the delay by the
judiciary is responsible for many indicted people in the legislature
making laws for us.
Do you think Kanu’s agitation for an independent state of Biafra is wrong?
I
think the concern is in the methods of the agitation employed by IPOB,
which include the use of uncouth language capable of incitement. He even
used the word ‘zoo’ to depict Nigeria and in blithe disregard for the
fact that this same term was used in Rwanda to cause ethnic cleansing
with dire consequences. There are countries where agitations for the
split have taken place without the resort to the use of foul language
and hate speech as we have experienced with IPOB. We have Catalonia in
Spain; Quebec in Canada; and Scotland in Britain. Why should there be
hate speech that is capable of incitement?
Your group publicly
condemned the stance of Igbo leaders concerning Kanu. Some believe it
would have been better for northern leaders to discuss the issue with
them without making a public condemnation. Do you agree that your public
denunciation of the role being played by the Igbo leaders can worsen
the already bad situation?
While I agree that dialogue is
preferred to an altercation in a democracy which is a contest of ideas
and reasons, your position is a matter of judgment. Those who encourage
dialogue in the case of IPOB ignore the dire consequences of rewarding
bad behaviours with recognition and a form of concession. We must
discourage threats and intimidation in a democracy which is a contest of
ideas and reasons. It is not a bullfight.
Some people believe
that to set a good precedent both Kanu and the Arewa youths should be
arrested and prosecuted by the police. Do you share that view?
While
I share the view that two wrongs do not make a right, it is important
to be realistic. The (Arewa) youths were spurred into issuing the notice
to quit by their frustration arising from the activities of IPOB – more
so now that they have been persuaded to withdraw the notice to quit;
which they have withdrawn. That underscores the impression that the two
offences do not have the same weight nor can it be treated the same way.
There
was an anti-Igbo song composed in Hausa that went viral on the
Internet. No one has been arrested for that. Do you think the government
and security agencies lack the will power to tackle hate speech in the
country?
You would note there have been many instances of crimes
in this country which perpetrators are not arrested immediately, either
due to the need for thorough investigations or due to shortcomings by
the authorities. The delay in the arrest of those who sang the hate song
may not be due to the dearth in will power but due to the need for
thorough investigations or shortcomings on the part of the security. It
is important to note this point lest anyone ascribe wrong impressions on
why they have yet to be arrested.
Do you support the fact that Kanu and others in the South-East have the right to demand an independent state of Biafra?
They have the right to demand anything within the law.
Do you agree that the South-East people are the most marginalised region in the country?
I
find it very difficult to share the view that the South-East is the
most marginalised (region). I recall President (Goodluck) Jonathan once
said, when he was the governor of Bayelsa State, he thought the Ijaw
were the most marginalised. But, when he became the president, he
discovered every ethnic nationality in Nigeria claimed to be
marginalised, and he began to wonder who was marginalising who. We
better note that since 1970, the Igbo have been part and parcel of the
Federal Government as the vice president; senate president; speaker of
House of Representatives; secretary to Government of the Federation;
coordinating minister; ministers; governor of the Central Bank of
Nigeria; service chiefs; and as national chairman of the ruling party.
The South-East held sway under Jonathan for five years. For them to
still play victim may be understood but not acceptable. Nigeria has
about 371 ethnic nationalities, most of which have not enjoyed ingress
to the Federal Government compared to the Igbo.
The Hausa, whom
the Igbo malign so much, have produced only Gen. Murtala Mohammed as
head of state who ruled for only six months and died in the same
circumstances like the Igbo’s Gen. (Johnson) Aguiyi-Ironsi – who also
ruled for six months. Yet, the Hausa do not play the victim of
marginalisation like the Igbo. Nigeria is going through hard times. But
hard times should bring about national grandeur; bring about purposeful
leadership at all levels and the best of everyone across the nation. I
also believe the Igbo should note that the certain benefits of our
togetherness in a big country are far more than the uncertain gains of
the split. No country is without challenges – was there such a country,
there would be no need for government. Our situation is not beyond
redemption.
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